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温家宝接受CNN访问 态度开放坦率[附全文] (图)
(博讯北京时间2008年9月30日 转载)
    
    来源:新加坡《联合早报》
     中国国务院总理温家宝接受美国有线电视新闻网(CNN)访问时指出,中国民主政治改革涉及三方面:完善民主选举制度、改善司法系统,以及让政府接受监督。中国的发展和改革应当是全面的,既重视经济方面的,也不忽略政治革新。
    
    
温家宝接受CNN访问 态度开放坦率[附全文]

    
    
    新加坡《联合早报》引述CNN报道,访谈间,CNN访员法里德・扎卡里亚(Fareed Zakaria)先是出示了温家宝1989年陪同当时的国家领导人,前往天安门与学生见面的照片,随后问他从中学习了什么教训。温家宝沉默了几秒钟,然后指出相信问题与中国的民主发展有关。
    
    温家宝说,中国的民主发展首先需要逐步完善民主选举制度,让权力真正属于人民,也才能为人民服务。其次,必须改善司法系统,讲求法治,并建设独立与公正的司法制度。第三,政府必须接受民众监督,特别是新闻媒体等的监督。
    
    法里德・扎卡里亚丝毫不肯放松,再问温家宝,在中国酒店里上网,一旦输入“天安门广场”字眼时,防火墙就会被启动。对此,温家宝仍淡定回答。他说,中国目前有超过2亿互联网用户,自由是许多人所公认的,在网上完全可以看到批评政府的帖子。不过,为了保障国家安全,中国和其他很多国家一样,也设定了一些限制,这些限制既是为了国家的整体安全,也是保护大多数人民自由的权利。
    
    那么,25年后中国是否会选举,让两个政党来争夺领导人的席位呢?温家宝坦言,现在很难预见25年后的事情,但强调相信中国的民主发展会继续加强。
    
    法里德・扎卡里亚也提到,在许多人眼中,中国已经是超级强国,中国何以不在国际课题上,如达尔富尔、伊朗核武器问题的解决,扮演更重要的角色。温家宝马上纠正指出,中国不是超级强国,虽然它改革开放取得快速经济和社会增长,但还有8亿民农民生活在郊区,许许多多的人生活在困苦中。再说,中国还是发展中国家,其城乡差别很大,经济有待进一步发展。正因如此,中国还要把精力放在自身的发展上,并改善人民的生活。
    
    温家宝还说,在中国经济发展的过程中,许多企业为了追逐利润而丧失了道德。他认为是不应该让这种现象出现的。这是因为,以道德为代价的经济发展不可持续,这也正是中国讲求企业、职业和社会道德的原因。此前他也多次谈到,“企业应该流着道德的血液”。
    
    温家宝说,他曾多次阅读安东耐诺斯(Marcus Aurelius Antoninus)的《沉思录》(Meditation),被其内容深深打动,并得到一个结论:叱咤一时的伟人最后都消失了,只留下一个故事,甚至是半个故事,只有人民才能创造历史、书写历史。
    
    从电视画面中,观众可看到鲜少接受美国媒体访问的温家宝侃侃而谈,即使颇尖锐的问题,他也不回避,表现出的风范符合了他在访谈正式开始前的承诺:只会以发自内心的话回答问题,他说,这意味着他所有的回答都是真实的。温家宝说,他习惯了作长篇大论的讲话,所以记者(法里德・扎卡里亚)可以在讲话时打断他并提出自己的问题,“这样我们的对话会更生动。”
    
    法里德・扎卡里亚也是美国《新闻周刊》国际版主编,他指出,在他所看过或阅读过的与中国领导人的访谈中,这次与温家宝的访问是最开放和坦率的。他说,在访谈前,他给中国一个条件,那就是他可以不受限制,自由发问任何问题,中国答应了他的要求。此外,中国则要求他不对访谈的内容加以批评。
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Transcript of interview with Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao
    
    
    
    
    
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    Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao was interviewed by Fareed Zakaria last week
    
    
    
    
    
    Jiabao says China has achieved fast and steady economic growth
    
    
    
    
    
    He says U.S. financial difficulties impact China
    
    
    
    Below is the complete transcript of Fareed Zakaria's interview with Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao. The interview was taped September 23, and portions were shown on "Fareed Zakaria GPS" on September 28.
    
    
    
    Zakaria:
    
    
    
    We are now beginning the formal interview, just so everyone realizes.
    
    
    
    Wen Jiabao:
    
    
    
    Before we begin, I would like to let you know that I will use the words from the bottom of my heart to answer your questions, which means that I will tell the truth to all your questions.
    
    I always tell people that sometimes I may not tell what is on my mind, that as long as I speak out what is on my mind, the words are true.
    
    I think you are now interviewing a statesman, and at the same time you are interviewing a statesman in his capacity as a common people.
    
    I prefer dialogue to long-winded speeches, so you can always interrupt me and raise your questions.
    
    That would certainly make our dialogue more lively.
    
    
    
    Zakaria:
    
    
    
    I look forward to the chance for this dialogue, and I begin by thanking you for giving us the opportunity and the honor. The first thing I have to ask you, I think is on many people's minds. What do you think of the current financial crisis affecting the United States, and does it make you think that the American model has many flaws in it that we are just recognizing now?
    
    
    
    Wen Jiabao:
    
    
    
    I took office as the Chinese premier six years ago, and before then I was serving as the vice premier of the country. When I was the vice premier, I experienced another financial crisis but in Asia. And in wake of the Asian financial crisis, China adopted a proactive fiscal policy and decided not to devalue the RMB, the Chinese currency, but doing so we managed to overcome the difficulties. But now the problems in the United States started with the subprime crisis and later on, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were involved in the problems, and the Lehman Brothers was in trouble, Merrill Lynch was in trouble, the AIG was in trouble, and such large investment banking companies and insurance companies all encountered systematic problems.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    To address our own problems, we need to do a great deal. China is not a superpower. That's why we need to focus on our own development and on our efforts to improve people's lives.
    
    
    
    Zakaria:
    
    
    
    But surely the Chinese government could pressure the Sudanese government or the Iranian government or the government in Burma to be less repressive. You have relations with all three of them.
    
    
    
    Wen Jiabao:
    
    
    
    That brings me to your second question. Actually in the international community, China is a justice-upholding country. We never trade our principles.
    
    Take the Darfur issue that you raised just now for example. China has always advocated that we need to adopt a dual-track approach to seek a solution to the Darfur issue. China was among the first countries sending peace-keepers to Darfur.
    
    China was also the first country that gave assistance to Sudan and we also keep our efforts to engage the leaders in Sudan to try to seek a peaceful solution to the issue as quickly as possible.
    
    
    
    Zakaria:
    
    
    
    Do you think it would be dangerous for the world if Iran got nuclear weapons ? And what do you think the world should do to try to stop that possibility?
    
    
    
    Wen Jiabao:
    
    
    
    We are not supportive of a nuclear rise to Iran. We believe that Iran has the right to develop a utilization of nuclear energy in a peaceful way. But such efforts should be subject to the safeguards of the [International Atomic Energy Agency], and Iran should not develop nuclear weapons. As far as the Iranian nuclear issue is concerned, China's stance is clear-cut.
    
    We hope that through promoting the talks concerning this issue, that we will be able to encourage the Iranian authorities to give up any idea to develop nuclear weapons and accept IAEA safeguards.
    
    Nonetheless, we hope that we can use peaceful talks to achieve the purpose, rather than resort to the willful use of force or the intimidation of force. It's like treating the relationship between two individuals. If one individual tries to corner the other, then the effect will be counterproductive. That will do nothing in helping resolve the problem. Our purpose is to resolve the problem, not to escalate tensions.
    
    And I also have a question for you: Don't you think that the efforts made by China in resolving the Korean nuclear issue and position we have adopted in this regard have actually helped the situation on the Korean peninsula move for the better day by day? And, of course, I know that it still takes time to seek a thorough and complete solution to the Korean nuclear issue, and on that basis to help put in place the security and stability in Northeast Asia. But, what I'd like to stress is that the model that we have adopted, and the efforts we have made, prove to be right in this, in this direction.
    
    
    
    Zakaria:
    
    
    
    Since you honored me by asking the question, I will say to you, premier, that China's efforts in North Korea have been appreciated in the United States and around the world. And of course it makes people wish that China would be active in other areas in just the same productive way that it was in North Korea because we see that it produces results.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
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